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Traveller-digest    Thursday, December 16 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1510<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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[OT] Politically Correct Season's Greetings<BR>
Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
Re: Exploding suppressors...<BR>
Re: chicks with guns, and 3I porno<BR>
Re: technology advances<BR>
Re: New Sayat Battery-Powered Novelty<BR>
Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
Re: Full auto Pilgramage Pics...and DITZIE?!?! (Way OT and possible  Flamebait)<BR>
Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
Re: Canonicy of YTU<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Re: independent Terran invention of jump drive? sure<BR>
Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
SciFaiku-- it's science, and it's purdy<BR>
Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
Re: independent Terran invention of jump drive? sure<BR>
Re: Canonicy of YTU<BR>
Re: back on topic?  was: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
Re: technology advances<BR>
Re: New Sayat Battery-Powered Novelty<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Re: technology advances<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:00:19 -0600 (CST)<BR>
From: "Jason Kemp" <Jason.Kemp@tdh.state.tx.us><BR>
Subject: [OT] Politically Correct Season's Greetings<BR>
<BR>
To My Friends On The TML,<BR>
<BR>
Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, our best<BR>
wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low<BR>
stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, celebration of the winter<BR>
solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of<BR>
the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your<BR>
choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or<BR>
traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or<BR>
secular traditions at all . . .and a fiscally successful, personally<BR>
fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of<BR>
the generally accepted calendar year 2000, but not without due<BR>
respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose<BR>
contributions to society have helped make America great, (not to<BR>
imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country or<BR>
is the only "AMERICA" in the western hemisphere), and without regard<BR>
to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith,<BR>
choice of computer platform, or sexual preference of the wishee.<BR>
<BR>
(By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This<BR>
greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely<BR>
transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies<BR>
no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for<BR>
her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is<BR>
revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is<BR>
warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of<BR>
good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a<BR>
subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is<BR>
limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the<BR>
sole discretion of the wisher.)<BR>
<BR>
Happy Holidays, (or whatever you choose to celebrate,)<BR>
Jason Kemp<BR>
<BR>
The Ubiquitous ObTrav: Imagine the cultural diversity of the 3I. What <BR>
do Imperial holiday cards read like?<BR>
<BR>
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Jason Kemp, ADS Programmer IV<BR>
(512)458-7111 ext. 3375<BR>
Internet Address:  jason.kemp@tdh.state.tx.us<BR>
<BR>
Most computer virus and email alerts are hoaxes.  For more info, check out:<BR>
http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/culture/beliefs/urbanlegends/library/blhoax.htm<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:04:56 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
<BR>
"Douglas E. Berry" wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> At 03:58 PM 12/16/1999 +0000, you wrote:<BR>
> >BITS - British Isles Traveller Support<BR>
> >http://www.bits.org.uk/<BR>
> ><BR>
> >"Something wonderful is going to happen."<BR>
> <BR>
> "My God, it's full of penguins..."<BR>
<BR>
From the movie "2001: At Close Quarters."<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:45:12 -0000<BR>
From: "Mark S Peace" <mark.s.peace@dunelm.org.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Exploding suppressors...<BR>
<BR>
Try www.bookshop.co.uk (Or even www.amazon.co.uk - the UK site has some<BR>
British editions not available from the US site.)<BR>
<BR>
>> Worth a read of Iain M Banks' "Consider Phlebas"<BR>
><BR>
>I'd love to. But the book is "too old" to be in stock at the local<BR>
>bookstores, and too popular to be in stock at the used bookstores (like<BR>
>Powells) that I've checked. Ditto for the rest of his "Culture" books.<BR>
><BR>
>- --<BR>
>Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Mark.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:01:26 -0000<BR>
From: "Mark S Peace" <mark.s.peace@dunelm.org.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: chicks with guns, and 3I porno<BR>
<BR>
>>Look at it this way.  Have you ever heard of criminals that<BR>
>>couldn't get pretty much whatever type of weapon they wanted?<BR>
><BR>
>  Umm, yes? And I suspect that condition applies even more so for<BR>
>the UK and most of Western Europe (?). Not that there isn't (well,<BR>
>at least was) a thriving business in importing firearms from the US.<BR>
><BR>
Gun ownership in th UK is almost non-existent, even amongst criminals.  Many<BR>
people have probably never even seen a gun (other than museums/TV etc).  The<BR>
problem the US has is that guns are already in circulation and it's<BR>
difficult to see how they could ever be removed.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:19:28 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: technology advances<BR>
<BR>
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Kenji Schwarz wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > > Did *Leonard* just say "shit"?  <BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > He's been taken over by the uninhibited mind-raping Zhos!  Imperial values<BR>
> > > are going out the window!  The rocks are starting to accelerate!  It's the<BR>
> > > End Times! Virus is on its way! Guard the Emperor!<BR>
> > <BR>
> > Kenji, <BR>
> > <BR>
> > Be nice. Or Mistress Olga will quit letting you visit the R&D section<BR>
> > of the dungeon. :-)<BR>
> <BR>
> <sulk> Fine.  Don' wanna anyway.  I'm gonna get my own toys!<BR>
> <BR>
Aw Kenji-kun, stop that, or else Mistress Tiamat will have to punish you,<BR>
and I work in the UCSF department of biochemistry...<BR>
 <BR>
(We warned him about that brown acid...)<BR>
<BR>
> > ps. Where did you want the 55 gallon drum of lube and the pump sent?<BR>
> <BR>
> To the graduate student cafeteria, please.  The stuff they use for salad<BR>
> dressing now is lousy.<BR>
> <BR>
Kenji, you rat, you owe the state of California a keyboard!!!<BR>
<BR>
Kiri chan yori  =)<BR>
<BR>
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Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:48:12 -0500<BR>
From: "Micheal D. Peters" <Travelleri@home.com><BR>
Subject: Re: New Sayat Battery-Powered Novelty<BR>
<BR>
Oh, Joy!!! Kenji's back! Let the wierdness commence!<BR>
<BR>
Mike<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 10:44 AM<BR>
Subject: New Sayat Battery-Powered Novelty<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
> The Sayat Board for the Operationalization and Optimization of Munitions<BR>
> (SayBOOM) has long been aware that quantities of a surplus military<BR>
> novelty hardware, namely, the Pelvic Mount Plasma Projector, have been<BR>
> circulating in notoriously primitive societies such as the Third Imperium,<BR>
> the Solomani Confederation, etc. In order to improve the lamentable safety<BR>
> record of this device in the hands of lower primates, and to foster<BR>
> interstellar amity and wellbeing, SayBOOM hereby presents to you, backward<BR>
> consumers and genetic errors, the support system for the PMPP which has<BR>
> been suspected to exist for so long.<BR>
<BR>
<Major snippage of a device only Kenji could, or would build)><BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:06:19 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
<BR>
>Smegging right it's flamebait! Excuse me, but<BR>
>similarity with small differences causes more violence<BR>
>than _great_ differences.<BR>
<BR>
????<BR>
<BR>
Look at the different ways the American media portrayed Germans and<BR>
Japanese during WWII, for example. There was a greater cultural distance<BR>
between American and Japan than America and Germany -- and yet it was the<BR>
Japanese who were more demonized.<BR>
<BR>
Violence has a _lot_ of roots. For a decent overview of many of the<BR>
biological factors, dig out "Dark Nature" by Lyall Watson.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Further reading: Richardson's "Statistics of Deadly Quarrels"; Diamond's<BR>
"The Third Chimpanzee"; Watson's "Dark Nature"...<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:09:45 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Full auto Pilgramage Pics...and DITZIE?!?! (Way OT and possible  Flamebait)<BR>
<BR>
>Terry types out:<BR>
> >Columbine (sp?): the preps were outsiders and killed member<BR>
> >of groups from which they were either excluded or feared, the popular<BR>
> >athletes and the born again Christians.<BR>
><BR>
>According to the recently reviewed video tapes the two perps made prior to<BR>
>generally carrying cranky, they didn't really target anyone in specific, as<BR>
>the newsies put forth, they were out to get everyone.  Equal opportunity<BR>
>psychos it seems.<BR>
<BR>
Won't stop the stories, though. A born-again Christian who died for her<BR>
faith makes such inspirational material (and teh book is selling quite<BR>
nicely, AFAIK).<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:00:02 -0700<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
<BR>
Heck, even the director of Greenwich Observatory is celebrating 'The Big<BR>
M' this year. Rough quote: "Why not have a party this year? It's when<BR>
everyone else is doing it, and no one likes a know-it-all party pooper."<BR>
<BR>
So what if the millenium doesn't really _start_ until next year...we can<BR>
have another celebration then, and tickets to NZ (so we can celebrate<BR>
properly) will be a _lot_ cheaper.<BR>
<BR>
Eric T. Holmes wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> All:<BR>
> <BR>
> Looks like there's another loverly bunch of coconuts across the pond<BR>
> that think the millenium starts next year!<BR>
> <BR>
> Eric<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:05:39 -0700<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Canonicy of YTU<BR>
<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
<BR>
> Actually I'm a REAL heretic.  One of the culture clashes between the<BR>
> interstellar powers in my universe was that some of the aliens used a warp<BR>
> propulsion for FTL (that the players could never figure out) and others<BR>
> (the ones that the players were from, natch) used Jump.  Made navigation<BR>
> rather harrowing near the borders.  Then there were the Taschiin, a word<BR>
> which means "gods" or "cosmic string-spinning bugs" depending upon whether<BR>
> it is spoken with reverence or contempt...  they don't NEED ships.<BR>
> <BR>
> HERETIC!!!  HERETIC!!!  HERETIC!!!<BR>
> <BR>
> I know.  Just please don't burn me at the stake.<BR>
<BR>
Naaah, we'll just steal your ideas...."cosmic string-spinning bugs..."<BR>
wow, cool concept...mind if I nip off with that one? <snip snip><BR>
<BR>
There's a _bunch_ of us heretics about.<BR>
<BR>
One question...why did the different drives mess with navigation? The<BR>
warp drives dump you out of jump or something?<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:20:53 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
Dear Folks -<BR>
<BR>
Timothy kindly provided:<BR>
>...in order to bring there God's Covenant Box, bearing the name<BR>
>of the Lord Almighty, whose throne is above the winged creatures.<BR>
<BR>
I held off making an obscure point during this thread, but since it continued<BR>
(and Timothy kindly provided the reference), you make like to note that it<BR>
wasn't the _inside_ of the Ark that was taboo, but the "mercy seat" (throne) on<BR>
top. Inside the box were the 10 Commandments, the rules forming the Israelite<BR>
side of the covenant (the contract between God and Israel). On top of the box,<BR>
between the two golden angels (cherubim?), was built the "mercy seat". When they<BR>
sacrificed animals to cover their sin, the Israelites splashed blood around the<BR>
place as purification (church services were a lot messier in those days ;-) and<BR>
poured some on the "mercy seat". This was where God's presence "rested" when he<BR>
came down to talk to Moses. That is why the _outside_ of the box was taboo -<BR>
"Raiders" got it wrong in that sense.<BR>
<BR>
However, having Nazis touch the thing at all is probably good enough cause for<BR>
the events at the end of the film, anyway.  ;-) ;-)<BR>
<BR>
>The majesty of the holy One was symbolized by the ark.  It was<BR>
>necessary to teach the Israelites the infinite holiness of God even if by<BR>
>'terrible acts'.<BR>
<BR>
One suggestion I have heard is that it is like paper and flame - if the paper<BR>
gets too close to the flame, it will burn up. The flame doesn't (necessarily)<BR>
have to be angry with the paper, that's just the nature of the difference<BR>
between the two: paper/flame, man/God.<BR>
<BR>
>But how about if there was some perfectly valid<BR>
>(scientfic) reason why it does kill anyone who touches it?<BR>
<BR>
Another suggestion I have read is that the way the box is built, with the<BR>
different metals interacting, somehow makes it an electrical capacitor. Touching<BR>
it "earths" the box, and zap! one crisped Israelite (this was a "scientific"<BR>
handwave by someone who doesn't like miracles, ISTR). So maybe you're right,<BR>
Bruce.<BR>
<BR>
Anyway, this is swerving violently OT (...um, I mean Off Topic, not Old<BR>
Testament, you realise ;-), and I do have an ObTrav, so:<BR>
<BR>
I've mentioned this before - quite recently, sorry for the repeat - but there is<BR>
a JTAS Amber Zone that deals with a vase belonging to a cult. If  non-cult<BR>
member sees the vase, the cult has to kill them. If the PC's don't open the box<BR>
containing the vase, but just hand it over, the cult goes away happy.<BR>
<BR>
I liked the "box in a derelict starship" idea, BTW - and endorse the<BR>
recommendation to browse SJG's "Warehouse 23" for more "toys". All of these are<BR>
nasty "treasures" to hand out, if you have overly curious PC's!!<BR>
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http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw                       davidjw@pcug.org.au<BR>
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity"<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:22:48 +0000<BR>
From: Garry Ward <Garry.E.Ward@worldnet.att.net><BR>
Subject: Re: independent Terran invention of jump drive? sure<BR>
<BR>
At 08:43 PM 12/15/99 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
>>Have the Templars approved this guy?  What's his<BR>
>>security clearance?  He obviously knows too much.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>He's being dealt with.  Can you say recruit or die?<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
<BR>
Too stubborn to die.<BR>
Too independent to recruit.<BR>
Kibitz as a $%$#^% please :)<BR>
Brake as the mood strikes.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:27:12 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
<BR>
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Robert Prior wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Look at the different ways the American media portrayed Germans and<BR>
> Japanese during WWII, for example. There was a greater cultural distance<BR>
> between American and Japan than America and Germany -- and yet it was the<BR>
> Japanese who were more demonized.<BR>
> <BR>
And still are.  I am mixed enough to pass for white and have, when outside<BR>
California with someone I'm dating, frequently been bothered by ignorami<BR>
who just have to make some numbnut comment about Pearl Harbor or "J--<BR>
lovers".  In Nebraska my ex-husband and I were actually THREATENED in a<BR>
small town.  And he was *Chinese*-- he said for fifty cents he'd have said<BR>
"I'm Chinese, we were on your side asshole" but nobody offered him fifty<BR>
cents...<BR>
<BR>
Kiri<BR>
<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:33:03 -0800<BR>
From: "James W. Lindsay" <jlindsay@home.com><BR>
Subject: SciFaiku-- it's science, and it's purdy<BR>
<BR>
http://www.scifaiku.com/what/<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
James W. Lindsay       Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada<BR>
"http://members.home.net/jlindsay"   ICQ:7521644 (Sharkey)<BR>
<BR>
"Honk if you've slept with Riker."<BR>
           -- typical Starfleet shuttlecraft bumpersticker<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:37:58 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
<BR>
At 16:55 -0500 16/12/99, "Eric T. Holmes" <eholmes@lanl.gov> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Looks like there's another loverly bunch of coconuts across the pond<BR>
>that think the millenium starts next year!<BR>
<BR>
We're just going with the flow. This way we get *two* parties for the <BR>
end of the Millennium. And as the AD  start date is out we could <BR>
stretch this to the whole decade?<BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> >"Something wonderful is going to happen."<BR>
><BR>
>"My God, it's full of penguins..."<BR>
<BR>
"Open the Penguin Bay Doors, Doug" ;-)<BR>
<BR>
Ewan Quibell <E.D.Quibell@bton.ac.uk> writes:<BR>
<BR>
>Go on then I'll bite ....<BR>
>What ?<BR>
>Or are you just building the anticipation ?<BR>
<BR>
Well, aside from the BITS core group and 2 others the secret is still <BR>
safe; all I'll say in this post(*) is that something is coming which <BR>
will only be here for a short while, probably from this weekend until <BR>
1/1/2000 at the latest.<BR>
<BR>
Dom<BR>
<BR>
(*) There will be other posts....<BR>
<BR>
- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------<BR>
                        MiB - Marines in Battledress<BR>
    "Protecting the Imperium from the Scum of the Galaxy"<BR>
Rob Prior's Mac software @ http://www.bits.org.uk/ <BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:47:33 -0800<BR>
From: "James W. Lindsay" <jlindsay@home.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
<BR>
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:13:47, Douglas E. Berry wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> At 03:58 PM 12/16/1999 +0000, you wrote:<BR>
> >BITS - British Isles Traveller Support<BR>
> >http://www.bits.org.uk/<BR>
> ><BR>
> >"Something wonderful is going to happen."<BR>
> <BR>
> "My God, it's full of penguins..."<BR>
<BR>
Uh, oh.  I guess it's too late for those list of revisions I misplaced (and<BR>
just recently found) about three months ago...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
James W. Lindsay       Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada<BR>
"http://members.home.net/jlindsay"   ICQ:7521644 (Sharkey)<BR>
<BR>
"Honk if you've slept with Riker."<BR>
           -- typical Starfleet shuttlecraft bumpersticker<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:49:39 +0000<BR>
From: Garry Ward <Garry.E.Ward@worldnet.att.net><BR>
Subject: Re: independent Terran invention of jump drive? sure<BR>
<BR>
At 09:15 PM 12/15/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
><snip><BR>
>Good.  The other alternative, discrediting and<BR>
>marginalizing him, might not work in this forum. <BR>
>Besides, if he knows that much, he knows what's good<BR>
>for him.  I hope he gets the secret handshake down<BR>
>easily.<BR>
><BR>
>--Glenn<BR>
>__________________________________________________<BR>
>Do You Yahoo!?<BR>
>Thousands of Stores.  Millions of Products.  All in one place.<BR>
>Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
Now, in the secret handshake, which finger is extended??:)<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:57:08 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Canonicy of YTU<BR>
<BR>
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Bruce Johnson wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:<BR>
> > <BR>
> <BR>
> > Actually I'm a REAL heretic.  One of the culture clashes between the<BR>
> > interstellar powers in my universe was that some of the aliens used a warp<BR>
> > propulsion for FTL (that the players could never figure out) and others<BR>
> > (the ones that the players were from, natch) used Jump.  Made navigation<BR>
> > rather harrowing near the borders.  Then there were the Taschiin, a word<BR>
> > which means "gods" or "cosmic string-spinning bugs" depending upon whether<BR>
> > it is spoken with reverence or contempt...  they don't NEED ships.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > HERETIC!!!  HERETIC!!!  HERETIC!!!<BR>
> > <BR>
> > I know.  Just please don't burn me at the stake.<BR>
> <BR>
> Naaah, we'll just steal your ideas...."cosmic string-spinning bugs..."<BR>
> wow, cool concept...mind if I nip off with that one? <snip snip><BR>
> <BR>
So long as I don't see it in a novel before I publish mine, feel free to<BR>
use it in your game.  I'm flattered.  I got the idea from reading a bunch<BR>
of late 80's Thelemic/Voudoun writings about the Haitian Spider Gods that<BR>
can go anywhere in space and time by traversing a giant web.  It crossed<BR>
my mind that this could be true if the web was made of cosmic string.<BR>
<BR>
The problem was that like the Zariguin I had based them on, a very few<BR>
weird Taschiin thought humaniti were interesting.  One thought so enough<BR>
to shapeshift itself into a male Talassani form and become the leader of a<BR>
cult.  The members of this cult wanted to have his babies, so it<BR>
manipulated itself and created something similar enough to human germ<BR>
cells that actual pregnancies resulted... and one of the most annoying and<BR>
most loved NPC's in the storyline was one of the resulting offspring.<BR>
<BR>
"Don't get angry with him, Marcus-- he's as human as one of your<BR>
rosebushes."<BR>
<BR>
"My rosebushes don't wander around on their own accord spreading chaos and<BR>
meddling in interstellar politics!"<BR>
<BR>
Tisselen had his Lovecraftian moments, but he genuinely meant no harm.  He<BR>
just forgot that humans were more fragile than he was and couldn't<BR>
manipulate atomic forces and things.  He also got attached to several<BR>
rather important people, which was a mixed blessing if you were one of<BR>
them.<BR>
<BR>
> There's a _bunch_ of us heretics about.<BR>
> <BR>
> One question...why did the different drives mess with navigation? The<BR>
> warp drives dump you out of jump or something?<BR>
> <BR>
People using different FTL propulsion systems couldn't see each other<BR>
coming; when they were not in normal space, they were in different<BR>
non-normal spaces.  They might come out in the same place.  And they<BR>
couldn't always communicate even if their governments were getting along.<BR>
<BR>
Which they often were not.<BR>
<BR>
You could, if you were VERY unlucky, jump into a patch of warped space in<BR>
someone else's wake.  Or have a starship come out of jump right in front<BR>
of your starship.  Not cool.  Led to Philadelphia experiment moments if<BR>
you were lucky, which PC ships always were.<BR>
<BR>
This happened very infrequently whether I used CT rules or ST RPG rules<BR>
(depending on which side was playing).<BR>
<BR>
"Damn Talassani!"<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:52:44 +1000<BR>
From: "Alan Bradley" <alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au><BR>
Subject: Re: back on topic?  was: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
<BR>
> From: Glenn Goffin <BR>
> The really nasty conflicts involve the Ine Givar, who<BR>
> will stop at nothing to achieve independence from the<BR>
> Imperium -- even if it means that Jewell, Regina,<BR>
> Vilis, and Lanth subsectors become a Zhodani<BR>
> protectorate.  The Ine Givar's primary demands are<BR>
> total freedom to practice psionics and a restructuring<BR>
> of the economy to ownership by the state.  <BR>
<BR>
IMTU, the Ine Givar are heavily factionalised, so there are groups that<BR>
disagree with all their demands.  <BR>
<BR>
That said, other common demands are respect for the rights of non-humans<BR>
(especially Vargr, and Dandies), and various permutations of democracy and<BR>
independence.  Pro-Sword Worlds factions tend to water down the<BR>
pansophontist demands (being a bunch of Solomani-chauvinist backsliding<BR>
scum), while some of the pro-Zhodani/pro-psionics oriented groups still<BR>
favour Zhodani-style psionic oligarchy, despite being in a distinct<BR>
minority in the IG.<BR>
<BR>
The pansophontism gives rise to some interesting conflicts, where the Ine<BR>
Givar end up supporting Vargr communities threatened by human supremacist<BR>
groups, like Rule of Terra and Superioriti.  Of course the Vargr themselves<BR>
are often quite capable of defending themselves, and on occasion will<BR>
remind human mobs what the word "Corsair" means.<BR>
<BR>
Going OT:  the above is actually influenced by some posts I got on another<BR>
list, on the topic of gun control!  Apparently, the civil rights movement<BR>
in the US, one of the classic "nonviolent" movements, was defended by a<BR>
very large proportion of its members possessing guns.  This resulting in<BR>
the white hood brigade suffering some very embarrassing setbacks....  <BR>
<BR>
Alan Bradley<BR>
alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:27:36 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: technology advances<BR>
<BR>
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> > <sulk> Fine.  Don' wanna anyway.  I'm gonna get my own toys!<BR>
> > <BR>
> Aw Kenji-kun, stop that, or else Mistress Tiamat will have to punish you,<BR>
> and I work in the UCSF department of biochemistry...<BR>
<BR>
Golly.  I think when I finish up here and head back west, the Bay is<BR>
looking better and better.<BR>
<BR>
> (We warned him about that brown acid...)<BR>
<BR>
I suppose no one is surprised to hear that I thought of drugs rather than<BR>
bod-mod when I read this.  Or is brown acid an overpriced D&D critter that<BR>
is going to show up as a G:T alien "race" in the next book?<BR>
<BR>
> Kenji, you rat, you owe the state of California a keyboard!!!<BR>
<BR>
Oh.  Can I run a tab?<BR>
<BR>
Kenji<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:27:51 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: New Sayat Battery-Powered Novelty<BR>
<BR>
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Micheal D. Peters wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> <Major snippage of a device only Kenji could, or would build)><BR>
<BR>
Oh, would that I could!<BR>
<BR>
Kenji<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:42:59 +0000<BR>
From: Garry Ward <Garry.E.Ward@worldnet.att.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
At 10:05 PM 12/14/99 PST, you wrote:<BR>
>In mail you write:<BR>
><BR>
>><snip><BR>
>I don't recall that from the theater version. Then again, that may be a<BR>
>difference between the US and foreign releases.<BR>
><BR>
>-- <BR>
>Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
> shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
>leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
The last scences, in the US theater & on my video version were of a large<BR>
warehouse in which a crate was being pushed. The crate was slowly smoking,<BR>
fading out the U.S. Army stencil.  Very X-files feel.<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:43:43 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: technology advances<BR>
<BR>
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Kenji Schwarz wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > > <sulk> Fine.  Don' wanna anyway.  I'm gonna get my own toys!<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > Aw Kenji-kun, stop that, or else Mistress Tiamat will have to punish you,<BR>
> > and I work in the UCSF department of biochemistry...<BR>
> <BR>
> Golly.  I think when I finish up here and head back west, the Bay is<BR>
> looking better and better.<BR>
> <BR>
^_^  LOL<BR>
<BR>
> > (We warned him about that brown acid...)<BR>
> <BR>
> I suppose no one is surprised to hear that I thought of drugs rather than<BR>
> bod-mod when I read this.  Or is brown acid an overpriced D&D critter that<BR>
> is going to show up as a G:T alien "race" in the next book?<BR>
> <BR>
No, you were supposed to think "drugs".  At either Woodstock or Altamont,<BR>
can't remember which (I was very very small at the time) there were<BR>
announcements:  "DO NOT TAKE THE BROWN ACID!!!"  I always wondered what it<BR>
did.  Hiroshi (my rather significant and definitely other -- a friend once<BR>
said "men are from Mars, women are from Venus, and Hiroshi is from Omicron<BR>
Zeta VIII, but we love him" -- probably knows, even though it was before<BR>
his time too...)<BR>
<BR>
> > Kenji, you rat, you owe the state of California a keyboard!!!<BR>
> <BR>
> Oh.  Can I run a tab?<BR>
> <BR>
It's OK with me... ^_^<BR>
<BR>
Kiri-chan ^_^<BR>
<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
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